Wow ...... didn’t see that coming

if people who organise illegal raves get a 10,000 pound fine, so should they. This is not someone making a mistake or being a bit dim. This is wilful lawbreaking that puts lives in danger. Congratulations to Glossop MRT. I expect they were very polite but they must be spitting feathers!

Words escape me!

Let alone that the wreckage would have been covered in snow. Words fail me.

Wilful law breaking? The truth is they have broken no laws only government guidance which states exercise to be taken locally and you can travel to do so, with no distance stipulated.
Yes they are obviously incompetent and not fit enough for this sort of walk and should never have attempted it, but no need for the knee jerk attitude which seems to be prevalent in these times, whipped up by the media.

Sorry Marty - it is law not guidance.

Pasting this from Gov.uk - for info not point scoring

When you can leave home
You must not leave or be outside of your home except where you have a ‘reasonable excuse’. This is the law. The police can take action against you if you leave home without a ‘reasonable excuse’, and issue you with a fine (Fixed Penalty Notice).

You can be given a Fixed Penalty Notice of £200 for the first offence, doubling for further offences up to a maximum of £6,400.

A ‘reasonable excuse’ includes:

Exercise
You can continue to exercise alone, with one other person or with your household or support bubble. This should be limited to once per day, and you should not travel outside your local area.You should maintain social distancing.

You should minimise time spent outside your home, but you can leave your home to exercise. This should be limited to once per day, and you should not travel outside your local area.

But they have a reasonable excuse, exercise!

Bend the rules as much as you like.
Just because you can do something, it does not mean you have to do it or that it is safe and wise to do so.

Sing along to the lovely tune posted in the last Cadair Idris story.

Seen a couple of kite surfers off the beach in NW Cumbria this morning.

Andy, the Gov.uk quote "This should be limited to once per day, and you should not travel outside your local area." is guidance, not the law.

The law is found in the Regulations, which make no mention whatsoever about exercising "once per day" nor limit the travel to the "local area".

Instead the regulations state that the circumstances in which a person has a reasonable excuse to leave home include:

(c) to take exercise outside—
(i) alone,
(ii) with— (aa)one or more members of their household, their linked household, or (bb)where exercise is being taken as part of providing informal childcare for a child aged 13 or under, one or more members of their linked childcare household, or
(iii) in a public outdoor place, with one other person who is not a member of their household, their linked household or their linked childcare household."

That's it. In the law, there is no prohibition of travelling to exercise, no limit on the distance of such travelling, and no limit of such travelling to the local area.

So that makes their actions ok then?
Keep on bending. Something is about to snap.

It makes their actions within the law. In other words, they didn't break the rules.

It's not about bending either - if the rules don't prohibit travelling to exercise, or limit the distance of such travelling in any way, there is nothing to bend.

Rules are different in Scotland for example, there the law imposes a clear limit of 5 miles from the local authority boundary. In Wales, travel for exercise is prohibited altogether, no matter the distance.

There is nothing to prevent English legislators to do the same, i.e. impose a limit or prohibit altogether. But they haven't done so yet, and until they do, people who travel won't be breaking the law.

Ok, law abiding citizens, let's look at the facts here. The very first paragraph says

"Four people who went searching for an aircraft crash site in winter conditions were rescued from the Peak District’s second highest hill...."

So with covid restrictions or not, should this group really have been out on the hills in the first place? not to mention in winter conditions, exhausted and lost, looking for a crash site covered in snow, AND had to be rescued.

Ok, law abiding citizens, let's look at the facts here. The very first paragraph says

"Four people who went searching for an aircraft crash site in winter conditions were rescued from the Peak District’s second highest hill...."

So with covid restrictions or not, should this group really have been out on the hills in the first place? not to mention in winter conditions, exhausted and lost, looking for a crash site covered in snow, AND had to be rescued, AND with covid restrictions in place!

Assuming you are the same Mike that posted at the top of this thread the facts here are that you stated these people are "wilful lawbreakers" and should receive a £10,000 fine. Others in this thread have pointed out that there is no law preventing them from being there. I suspect they share your opinion about their decision to make this journey and simply felt it was not necessary to state the bleeding obvious: no!

On another note I always thought "spitting feathers" meant thirsty...

Perhaps we need another navigational App besides GPS: a moral compass ?

At least this forum gets us a list of those who want to bend the rules, ignore the guidance and keep spreading.

At least this forum gives an insight into those who ignore rules and guidance and want to keep spreading the virus.

Within the law or not, it looks like common sense is a rare commodity and its lack is killing people. We have an attitude problem for which there is no vaccine.

Fine the following:
People with health issues due to smoking, drinking, bad diet and lack of exercise.
These are the people that are swamping the NHS at the moment and should be fined every time they use the NHS.
Deny cancer treatment for smokers
Stop all treatment for alcohol related illness / accidents
Fine everyone who gets taken to hospital with covid(they have caught it from somewhere so let’s assume they have broken a “law”) or are these poor soles all just unlucky law abiding citizens
Also fine anyone who dares to live over the age of 80! it’s because of these the death rate is so high.
If we are handing out fines let’s do it right........

Nah , spitting feathers has always meant being annoyed , fair bit to be spitting feathers about judging from the actions of some people who can’t seem to grasp the exercise local rule , people defending others travelling miles just as bad and probably doing the same , shouldn’t be driving to exercise end of story , I wouldn’t have thought it hard to use a bit of common sense to know that going up into the fells regardless of if you live near them at the moment is wrong but that still won’t stop people doing what they want because they interpret the rules to suit themselves , it’s just selfish simple as that

# Colin

(Another Mike)