No immediate objection.

Soon you will get these 'zip wires' everywhere!

We have this infrastructure in other places (London noteably)- and it surely cannot spoil view, or sound of land (maybe it enhances)? ,or i should complain more about renewable wind sources that power me!

Hope I am not offending anyone. (let me know!)

Anything human-made could be taken down (if required). Nature is good at recovering (better than us!). We just have limited life-span and get all worked-up over by occasionally seeing what we don't like!

If you need to get from 'A' to 'D', this is a good idea, when some rail companies have strike days! (random thought here!).

So many more beautiful views to see elsewhere. And maybe Zip Wires here, there and everywhere will open up a carbon better environment - i dunno!. Possibly the introduction of these, could enhance local transport in other forms - like current public transport services.

Everyone needs to get out more (let us all help achieve this - for everyone!). There is 'so much to see/hear/feel '. and if you are unable to do this - we should all, as humanity, assist here!

I have no nice views from my own home (apart from some occasional gorgeous sunsets at this time of year). A local zip-wire to my workplace (15 minute walk - would help me too - even if the lack of exercise fails!

thanks for reading.

nick

This: “According to a Cumbria Tourism survey, since 2006 the proportion of visitors to Cumbria under the age of 45 has dropped from 38 per cent to 30 per cent, and now 68 per cent of visitors are classed as ‘post-family’ meaning they are over 35 and visiting without children.

Nuff said, I'd hazard a guess at the age of those in opposition.
come on folks lets have a bit of diversity.
Thirlemere's man made anyway.
Get a grip and move on, embrace change.
Probably the same type that oppose GPS devices and come out with the same trype each year about the dangers of relying on them etc blah blah blah

Listen to the younger generation, ignore at your peril,their paying your pension....

And before you start I'm not a kid either! well maybe once i'm on that Zipwire! yeehar!

Treetop Treks are not really interested in enhancing the Visitor experience to the Lakes. If they were this crazy scheme would never have even been considered. The Lake District is about it's scenery, tranquility and History. It is not a theme park and 1 minute screaming zip wire rides have no place in the National park. I would be heartbroken to think visitors would come to the Lakes just to spend over £60 a go to scream their way down a wire for 2 minutes. These are not the sort of visitors the Lakes needs. However and line your pockets somewhere else Treetop Treks

I totally agree with the above comment. This is about profit for the company concerned and not the good of the Lake District (or its wider economy). The precious landscape of this area should not be up for grabs from the latest developer. Our National Parks are a natural resource that should be protected not "enhanced" by intrusions such as these. I too would be heartbroken if this went ahead. For the record, I am a mum who has taken children to this area plenty of times and was taken there myself as a child. We've also visited plenty of theme parks. Both experiences are great, but different, and should be savoured as such.

I don't know where the source of this article comes from (Treetop Treks Spin, sorry 'Press Release') or who these people were in favour but this simply isn't right. There are a huge range of similar options around the place and a single short expensive trip down a zip wire won't resolve the issue of younger visitors! This won't be the jobs 'boom' or 'Hub' they spin it as being, with accommodation expensive in Lakeland and wages for workers likely around the minimum wage. This isn't about benefiting the Lakes, but solely about benefiting a company well aware that opinion is against their ideas. I'm glad that Friends of the Lake District are opposed to the zip wire element. And no, I'm not some old person who's against progress. Totally the opposite. But this is not progress. As KateC says, there is a place for everything. This is not the place.

What consultation? If you look at the projects Facebook page, the majority commenting there are definitely against this awful project.

Over the last 20 years, the beauty and tranquillity of the Lake District has seen a massive increase in so called organised "Events".
These are of all types; Cycling, Running, Swimming, Festivals to name but a few. Also static features are now appearing such as this proposed Zip wire project. The way in is under the guise of job creation, and increasing visitor numbers, but at the end of the day it will in time destroy the essence of the Lakes whilst lining the pockets of a few.
Ask yourself, how in the name of common sense can a Zip Wire enhance such a beautiful valley?
The Lake District was awarded World Heritage Status for a reason; I don't think the same will ever apply for Alton Towers!

bugger off with your daft Zipline the amazing views are good enough for any tourist

I've been visiting the Lake district for almost 50 yrs and Thirlmere is a beautiful tranquil area. I am totally opposed to zip lines /associated buildings/car park there. Such a "thrill" would create unnecessary noise (screaming) which would disturb the wildlife/nesting peregrines and a dangerous distraction to motorists travelling on the A591. I am also concerned that the lines could hinder the air ambulance if called to assist in an emergency situation. The Lake District has an abundance of activities/attractions for young and old - hence its popularity and visitor numbers! Thirlmere is not the place for zip wires!!

Our national park was millions of years in the making and man has tried to exploit it since before the sixteenth century and it bears the scars of mining and forestation, but the land is good at healing itself.
Modern man however is a different creature he is a destructive person a greedy entrepreneur who thinks only of money, A line must be drawn in the sand when it comes to turning our landscape into what i can only describe as a thrill seeking theme park, And i for one would be greatly saddened if plans went ahead to turn the thirlmere valley into an amusement park.
Please go away and take your zip wires with you!

We do not want your zip wire's. It would totally spoil such a beautiful, tranquil place. Peace and quite is what we want, not a bunch of screaming people and noise, who obviously do not enjoy The Lake District for what it is, Beautiful and Peaceful.

If you really want to see what people think go to the Facebook page @zipoffThirlmere. It was set up as a community page, by myself, and anyone is welcome to contribute/ask questions/join the debate. All we, as a community, ask is that people are nice to each other. With one or two exceptions people are. Please have a look.

The facebook page @zipoffThirmere is a self reflecting page i.e. just as biased as Treetop Trek. The fact is that the lakes are a man made working environment, Thirlmere in particular. Nature made the hills but man/woman made mines & reservoirs & drystone walls, farmed sheep and felled most of the forests. It is not wilderness and hasn't been for many centuries. The objections above seem to come from childfree lovers of tranquillity - nice - but when my kids were teens I needed to entertain them too between visits to the heights and I expect other parents have similar thoughts. As for young folk on multi activity adventurs, well its better than getting drunk in some closed off city bar, and some will look up a return again to the hills. The zip wire will not go much up Helvellyn and unlike the Honister proposal is sited near a major road that can take the traffic. Why not try it out with suitable provisions for parking etc? And if it fails to generate revenue for Treetop Trek that's their problem not ours.

Treetop Trek can put as much marketing "spin" on this as they like, but at the end of the day this is nothing more than a profit driven proposal designed to line the pockets of Treetop Trek's owners and their families.
Treetop Trek is a private limited company. The entire shareholding of which, (numbering less than 200 shares), is owned by its Directors, Officers, and immediate family members. (As may be seen by doing a quick Companies House check for "Treetop Trek", or "Company number 06785855".
Treetop Trek says that its consultations showed that most respondents were in favour of the proposal??????? - Odd then, that a websearch for "Thirlmere Zipwire Proposal" brings up any number of results showing exactly the opposite! - Not least of which, the Facebook page "Zip Off @ zipoffThirlmere" (currently having more than 900 followers!).
The Lake District is an area of outstanding natural beauty, now having World Heritage Site status. - I'm sure that I would be speaking for the vast majority of its visitors, the millions who come to enjoy that beauty, when I say that zipwire attractions have no place in areas of outstanding natural beauty!!!!!
If this proposal is allowed to proceed within the Lake District National Park it will set a precedent for future schemes of similar ilk.
Yes, Thirlmere as we see it today is the result of human enterprise, but it is not just any old reservoir. It was constructed in the Victorian era, over 100 years ago, and, with the benefit of passing time, now blends in perfectly with the surrounding natural environment. The ongoing re-introduction of deciduous trees only serving to enhance that situation.
As I've said elsewhere, zipwires over Thirlmere should be no more welcome than a windfarm, or a line of high voltage electricity pylons would be! - There are many places that would be eminently suited to such schemes, but for my money, the Lake District is most definitely not one of them!

No comment by Treetop Treks or United Utilities about the 'road' that has already been put in place underneath Fisher Crag?
Who actually wrote the article listed here?
There will actually be 8, yes that's EIGHT zip lines spanning Thirlmere and despite the apparent 'non spoiling' of the view (there will be circa 50'000) zip liners using the 'attraction' per year (most likely conservative projected numbers), who will be making quite a lot of noise. The cables and wheels alone exceed 70db.
To add to this the bracket of circa 17'000000 tourists using the LDNP per year are actually the bracket of folk who have money to spend, benifiting the local economy.

It would be interesting to understand who TTT think will be befitting from the extra £600'000 spent in the district, which of course are just projected figures.

Certainly 50'000 zip liners paying £50 a pop are going to leave TTT with a £2'500'000 turnover per year and most likely the extra £600'000 will be spent onsite at the 'visitor centre' run by the same company surely?

This is s very interesting article looking like a good marketing ploy for TTT for their new development.

And do the debate continues of how we can spoil the LDNP for adrenaline and profit with out of character 'theme park' rides that would be better suited in Blackpool or Alton Towers.

I wonder what Charles Gough, where this 'news forum' takes its name from, would think of the whole idea?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Gough_(artist)

If you want Zip Wire go to Go Ape in Grizedale. I have, and I taken my children there. I have also taken them up most of the mountains in the Lakes and I don't think they've ever wanted a zip wire on any of them.

Of course you can't see a wire but you will be able to see lots of screaming people dangling off it or the queues of cars waiting to turn off the road and of the course due to the type of visitors that would generally use this place, the litter tossed onto the surrounding roads and countryside will massively increase.

I have pretty much walked every hill and dale there is to walk across the whole of the UK including coastal paths etc and as a general rule where the town and city dweller can reach easily in their car, or where they're attracted to, then the rubbish and dog dirt massively increases. Where you go that's off the the beaten track or requires much more effort to get to then the problem tends not to exist.

Scafell Pike? Full of litter.
Ben Nevis? Full of litter
Snowden? Full of litter
Bowness/Windermere? Full of Litter
Waterhead/Ambleside? Full of Litter

There are plenty of disused quarries throughout the North of England that would be ideal spots for zip wires, not here.

Just because man has interfered with nature in the past it doesn't that makes it ok to keep on doing it. I thought we were supposed to be a bit more enlightened these days?

I you want theme park rides go to a theme park, simples.

The shouts and screams from users of ZipWorld at Blaenau Ffestiniog in North Wales can be heard from a great distance away.

why are we spending thousands getting electric wires removed and buried in Cumbria to save the view then considering zip wires i dont get it ! should be straight NO . and thats not even getting in to the noise and parking issues . as the other say its nothing to do with creating jobs. the wages they will pay people wont be able to afford to work as they wont be able to afford to live in the immediate area. and those that do live near will still have to spend most of their wage travelling. and how may kids are likely to fork out £50 to do this ? wrong place for it if you ask me. and if some where like Honister got refused ( which in my opinion was probably one of the only places that might have worked ) then there should be no grounds for this to go ahead .

In relation to the survey, when was it done, who was asked, what were the actual results, who undertook the survey, was it an impartial national company, has it been independently ve rified ?
Without this information in the public domain the survey and the claims are meaningless.
It smacks of a company clutching at straws ... or to be topical ... making up "Fake News".
RmH

It will bring something different and some much needed revenue to the Lake District

The history of Thirlmere may be less well-known than that of Mardale, but really no different. Its a valley with a human history - can you imagine wires from Whelter Bottom to Haweswater Hotel??? Course not, too long a drive and no buses. And Thirlmere is an iconic N-S glacial valley, viewable from Back o Skidda. I really cannot understand how anyone connected with the National Park can really think this is an acceptable proposition.

As a data analyst I'd be interested to see the methods used by TTT to collect feedback and gauge opinion, and the full set of data that underpins their findings.

It's not about a few people being able to enjoy a zip-wire ride. It's about a few people spoiling Thirlmere for everyone else.
They can build a zip-wire in any number of places, but there is only one Lake District.

United Utilities only care about profit. Treetops only care about profit.

The Lakes District National Park Authority is not an elected body. If they are supporting this they should be removed from their role.

This theme park activity is totally out of place in the Lake District.

Quiet activity which goes on using the rivers, lakes, forests and mountains is appropriate.

This zip wire idea is an abomination.

... "a true, technically accurate representation of what the zip lines would look like from the nearest possible viewpoints" ...
with no punters zooming along at x miles per hour screaming their heads off.

I have yet to see more than a very few people who are in favour of this Zip wire in Thirlmere Tree tops are lying if they say a majority are in favour of this project its quite the opposite

Most people in favour???
Fake news

United Utilities hold the key a lobby of shareholders and the AGM is the way forward. The increase of activity round Thirlmere would affect water quality. This is the water now heading for Wet Cumbria and Sellafield

Fuumy how 900 odd people oppose this development on Facebook and at all the local meetings about this development most people seem to be against it to. Treetop treks fake news I guess.

This development is a terrible Idea the natural environment should not be a commodity up for sale to the highest bidder. If you want to enjoy the Lake District go walking, biking, running in the hill's, if you want an adrenaline rush go rock climbing - best of all these activities are free - you don't have to pay someone £50 a pop for the experience. And if you don't appreciate the Lakes for the natural environment it is - go somewhere else.

A zip-wire - horrendous idea! Not in itself, but in this particular location.
Thirlmere is renowned for its tranquillity - the lake which is free of motorboats (originally to protect the water quality, now by choice), and thus remains more peaceful than other lakes which are easily accessible. Moreover in recent years thinning of the trees and return to native species has improved the views as well as favouring red squirrels. Thirlmere serves as the gateway to the Lakes (for many like myself approaching from the North), and the opening up of the longer vistas of the lake is a joy every time. The A591's importance as a link between North (Keswick) and Central/South Lakes (Ambleside/Windermere/Kendal) was confirmed by the consternation at its closure after the floods, and this link is not just commercial and practical but part of the magnificent "drive through the Lakes" appreciated by car drivers and bus passengers. Please please think again.

What a load of rubbish, regarding the consultation...there has been none of a valid nature, and had there been it would have show complete horror to such a stupid idea. You will find that the outcome will be as for the Greenside area, and be turned down.

The survey results are unbelievable, living locally I have yet to hear anyone speak in favour of this appalling project. Unless they have a vested interest(usually financial) as was demonstrated clearly in the discussions about a similar scheme above Greenside!

Please Leave the Lake District alone and build this Zip Wire (Money Wire) somewhere else, I'm sure there's plenty of other place you can put it where unemployment is much higher.

It is interesting that those in favour claim the Thirlmere valley is a degraded environment because of the reservoir construction. I have read that when initial survey for the possible dam construction was carried out, in the past the original level of the lake was as it is now. So, there was a lake filling the valley at earlier times. I must say from all the photos on Friends of the Lake District website that the scenery around the lake is on a par with attractiveness level to any country with a similar lake located in a mountainous area. I understand that zip wire riders from the eastern side of the lake will be driven in army type 4x4 vehicles up the hillside for there return zip wire journey to the eastern shore and car park. Not much peace and tranquility around Armboth on the lake's western shore then with all those vehicles shuttling up and down the hillside, to and from the launch point. People complain about 4x4 enthusiasts driving around on tracks in the countryside but there are not as many of them day in day out as will be ferrying zip wire customers about. I keep reading above about just two zip wires, but I understood the proposal is for eight, four each way. The visual effect and noise then would be even worse. Lets face it, for the company to make a decent profit, there would have to be a huge number of visitors impacting on two constricted locations in this peaceful area. Maybe it should go ahead, as these one trick pony operations seem to lose their novelty quite quickly and disappear. The worry is they would look to expand their operation to keep the attraction going in the area and eventually what, a huge fun park all around the lake, not an attractive thought. Don't let these people get their toe wedged in the door like dodgy door to door salesmen.

I hope everone has put in an official objection!

We see the continued lack of of forethought that exists in this county at every level. Any thing that suggests a change into the 21st century causes problems. The nimbism that exists is staggering. As a county we are being destroyed by these attitudes our young people can no longer live in a rural area the population is gradually vitrifying so that it will become part of an entire care home society and subsequently die

13,000 objectors, 163 in favour...says it all